Alex Jones, the Intellectual Dark Web, and How Trump's Election Lawsuits Went Wrong

Robert Barnes is a lawyer who prides himself on defending the underdog. His clients include Alex Jones and the Covington kids, and he was recently invited by President Trump to be part of the President’s legal team suing to contend the 2020 election results.

In this interview, Mr. Barnes explains why Alex Jones shouldn’t have been deplatformed, what the “Gated Institutional Narratives” and the Intellectual Dark Web are, and how the institutional media coordinated their efforts to attack Alex Jones.

On the election front, Mr. Barnes dives into great detail that there was no mass, coordinated election fraud as QAnon claimed, but certain parts of the election results are indeed questionable and deserve fair trials and hearings, which unfortunately weren’t given by the courts. He describes how Trump was sabotaged by incompetent lawyers like Sydney Powell who resorted to conspiracy theories rather than evidence, which ended up distracting the legitimate effort to content the election outcome.

A self-proclaimed “constitutional populist,” Mr. Barnes is a leading voice in the fight for free speech. He walks us through the Alex Jones case and explain how the famous “section 230” clause was involved. How should we define true free speech? Where is the line drawn between disagreement versus harassment, defamation, and spreading misinformation? When does someone deserve to be held accountable for their speech online? How can the social media companies “simply include First Amendment rules in the terms and services” and how will that eliminate 90% of the concerns and questions as Mr. Barnes believes? 


A few weeks ago, famous podcast hosts Eric Weinstein and Lex Fridman released a video called “Joe Rogan is under attack,” in which Weinstein claims that everyone near Rogan’s circle had something terrible happening to them. Is there really some “institution” that is out there to get you and suppress free speech? Tiger challenges Mr. Barnes to explain how such a mechanism works. What was the actual evidence of a coordinated, pre-meditated effort attacking people in the so-called “Intellectual Dark Web?” Or is the issue way overblown by people on the Right?

Tiger also presents a series of facts and evidence against the election lawsuits and asks Mr. Barnes to explain what exactly are the lawsuits trying to get at. What are the differences between signature audits and ballot recounts? What does it mean for a case to have “no standing” from a legal perspective? Has the Trump legal team actually presented convincing evidence to prove the existence of wide-spread fraud? Is there a point of election fraud lawsuits without having the chance of actually overturning the election result since the margins are wide enough to withstand any error? Will these election lawsuits strengthen or hurt the American democracy in the long run? 


This is the longest and one of the wildest interviews Tiger has ever conducted. It’s not something we normally present to our listeners, but we’re confident that you’ll enjoy this nuanced conversation with many push-backs and challenges from both sides.

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